Here is a short transcript of Soul for Real’s appearance on the Breakfast Club on April 11, 2019. Soul 4 Real brothers. Brian Dalyrimple explains doing time and what happened to the group after their success with the smash hit Candy Rain. The group also talks about working with the late rapper Heavy D.
Intro: Wake that ass up, early in the morning, The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Morning everybody in the house, it is Speaker 1, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the Guy, we are The Breakfast Club, we have got a special guest in the building.
Speaker 2: Yes indeed.
Speaker 1: Soul for Real. Now, talk to us what happened to Soul 4 Real, where have you all been? What’s been going on?
Brian Dalyrimple: I mean honestly, everything happened to Soul 4 Real. We’ve been casualties of the industry as far as a transitional time. When we came out, it was 95, so you have got to remember that was before the internet really hit.
Speaker 1: Before social media and all that stuff?
Brian Dalyrimple: Exactly, so of course it’s not only what happened to Soul 4 Real, it’s what happened to R&B groups. Because right now in the industry if you really pay attention there are no groups by [unintelligible 00:00:56] so I think we just really became a casualty of that era.
Speaker 4: What about you guys relationships with each other though? Was everything still strong as far as the four of you really?
Speaker 5: For the most part we’ve come a long way been through a lot but for the most part like our relationship as brothers is it’s like more or less irremovable like that’ll never change, even if we disagree at times and stuff or go through things.
Brian Dalyrimple: I encouraged that a long time ago before Chris Brown, before everybody came out. I saw that that there was a transition going on in the industry. So I was like, “Yo Jase you need to be doing your thing.” it was kind of waited a little bit so it’s like people might think that we’re not on the same page or we at odds with each other but it’s- – we’re family so brothers are always going to- -brothers and sisters always have that.
Speaker 4: I feel like it’s even harder when people are family and then also doing business together and also around each other all the time.
Speaker 6: It gets a little dicey sometimes.
Speaker 1: You are all real brothers?
Brian Dalyrimple: Same mother and same father.
Speaker 7: Really? I never knew that.
Brian Dalyrimple: We spent too much time together.
Speaker 1: Let us start from the beginning. Soul for Real you guys are from Long Island, New York, are you [unintelligible 00:02:16] or what? Singing all the time or what?
Speaker 5: Well we was on the streets on the streets we needed a change so you know we just pulled together because my brother Chalky, he was doing his thing at a young age and we moved to Florida and then came back and it was kind of hard for us just financially and we were going through a lot of family problems and was just like yeah we got to do something.
And we just formed a group and-
Brian Dalyrimple: Right but to answer your question, yes. It was a lot of singing. Before we got to the street my father is a bishop, my mother is a reverend, so we grew up in the church.
Speaker 1: So who founded you all, who signed you up?
Brian Dalyrimple: Heavy D signed us. I just want to let you all know, this is awesome, we’ve seen you years ago so it’s like this opportunity to really kind of bridge the gap because a lot of people know the song but they haven’t seen us, so they can’t put a face with the songs.
Speaker 1: The songs like, Candy Rain, Everything Little Thing I Do is classic records.
Speaker 2: So where did Heavy D find you? On the street or?
Brian Dalyrimple: No, well I will let you know, when we were on the streets like my brother was saying before, peddling nickel and dime and crack.
Speaker 7: The change was needed and like Dre said we were well on our like either doing the music stuff and we had a David Turner- – shout out to Dave he’s still around right
Brian Dalyrimple: So when I decided, I said I’m not doing the street thing no more, I decided to go work at McDonald’s and Dave was the manager at McDonald’s. I was at McDonald’s, I was washing the dishes, I’m singing Boys 2 Men, Dave came up like, “Yo, you sound amazing.”
I was like, “I’m not even the lead singer, you should hear me and my brothers.” At the time we had a corny ass name for the group Daphys.
Speaker 1: What was it called?
Speaker 5: Dapyhs, it was the first two letters of our last name and the physical was for physically related.
Brian Dalyrimple: So of course after we met Hev, Hev said no, that name- -but let me let me rewind a little bit because we were running around to the different labels and we’d be standing outside singing. We never really got the opportunity to just- – the normal way of going about getting a deal because everybody just was like, “No, no, no.”
So one day we were at Geffen Records and Heavy D’s brother’s girlfriend was there while we were warming up in the lobby. She heard us and she was like, “Yo, you guys will be dope for this Mount Vernon Day.”
It’s a talent show that basically showcases local talent. Her name was Robin, she’s like send the guys down to mind you, she sent us right to Heavy D’s house. I’m saying because at this time Floyd and Hev they lived together, Hev hadn’t moved out yet or do anything like that. So it was like we found ourselves at his address Eddy Bateman place his previous address- -God bless Hev, we’re going to get into that but we were in his house and we had no idea, we were looking around seeing plaques and pictures and stuff.
They told us to sing, we sang all our original songs. So Hev who happened to be home because Hev dancing around but he had a sprained ankle and said so he’s down at the basement. So Floyd was like, “Yo we are going to bring you down to meet my brother.”
Still we didn’t have no idea who this was, we were kind of putting it together because we was really feeling the blue funk album at that time. We go down, he goes, what the fuck, this is Hev.
Hev was like don’t be nervous, you do the same thing that you did for my brother. From there it was like oh I’m going to introduce you all to Andre and then the magic seemed like it was taking forever because when you’re on the street a week and we are starving, we looking like, “Yo when is it going to happen?” It only took about a year but that year seemed like it was forever.
So Hev brought us to Andre, Andre basically gave Hev the preposition like, “Listen, if I could match whatever deal you have for them, you have got to let them come with me.” That’s how we ended up being the last group on Uptown MCA.
Speaker 2: But didn’t Heavy take over from Andre at one point?
Speaker 5: He did, that was after the first project though. When we started the full life project which was our- – the entitled album cover for the second album everything kind of just was like the opposite of the first.
Hev and Andre kind of parted ways, Hev had a position with Universal, so uptown got switched to Universal Records and the difference between that album and the first one was there was absolutely no promotion. Things were like we were just always questioning things that we knew it took to get us where we were from Hev and we never got answers from him personally and like my brother said, may he rest in peace and stuff but I think a lot of what happened with the whole situation with him might have stemmed from just things that was like maybe should have been done with us, that was promised to us that we looked to him for-
Brian Dalyrimple: Keeping it on, I don’t mean to chime in, it was certain things like that of course the industry is finicky, so it’s like I really hate that Hev passed without us binding that relationship.
Speaker 2: Fixing it.
Brian Dalyrimple: Heavy could have taken better care of us because we were babies.
Speaker 1: So you felt Hev passing was Karma for what he did to you all?
Speaker 5: That was what I was getting to basically in a nutshell.
Brian Dalyrimple: I wouldn’t say that.
Speaker 5: I’m not saying it to get the effect of it being like bitterness behind it, I’m just saying it on something that it’s based on my history as far as like times that I’ve reached out to him, Floyd and there were plenty of opportunities that I felt that were given for us to just rekindle and pick up at a pace where he could have lived up to the things that we was expecting but it, unfortunately, it never got to happen but we never really took it and held it as like something bitter.
I still always have the love that I always had for Hev. I never at any point look at him and I feel like I’m speaking for my brother’s too we always were looking for that moment to be like, “Yo, Heavy let’s do this again.” The opportunity never came.
Speaker 1: You know on both sides of the industry you do realize and it’s effed up but it’s a business. Today Soul 4 Real is popping, tomorrow it is somebody else. I got a necessarily I gave Soul for Real a hit, I put out an album, they’re making money, now their next record is not what it’s supposed to be maybe what I got to go to the next one I don’t think was nothing disrespectful I think it was more like an assembly line-
Brian Dalyrimple: I beg to differ, the reason why I beg to differ is this, Soul for Real, we didn’t come out it wasn’t like Hev made us make hits, so just know that. When you met the four Street rats and you know that you thought we was rappers you know what I mean, we were rugged Street niggas but when we opened it was Ark angels singing and we’ve singing our own original content.
So for you to sit here and imagine Hev- – we didn’t know the industry, we just knew that we could sing, we knew that we had what it takes to really be relevant in the industry but because Hev and everybody else they know the industry it was like we didn’t get the proper-
Speaker 2: They took your publishing-
Brian Dalyrimple: Exactly, at the end of the day, it’s not business. If we are sitting up here, we had to crib we don’t have a bond it’s a camaraderie we chilling at the crib-
Speaker 4: Did you all have a manager?
Brian Dalyrimple: Our manager was Floyd, his brother was our manager. His brother was our manager, we shared the same lawyers
Speaker 5: We were hearing that these things were conflict but like I said we did not hold to him, we were always looking for the moment that-
Brian Dalyrimple: That is the reason why I said I beg to differ because we are hit makers, we are work horses. You have to remember regardless of what in the hiatus that we had, we know that the ingredients that it takes to make hit records you deal with different writers and different producers you understand but when you- – we knew we were blackballed after you know we bumped heads with Hev then it’s like he’s the big dog and nobody is-
Speaker 7: So many people that happens to, like my brother said we definitely got over it at a certain point but just keeping it real.
Speaker 1: Who produced the big records Candy Rain and-?
Brian Dalyrimple: Track Masters.
Speaker 6: Actually Chuck is the one who came up with the whole idea of it and then just like we were talking about then Hev brought in all the writers and changed it up and took the publishing and do whatever you did it just did flip, bam, bam .
Speaker 4 : Where does that stand now?
Brian Dalyrimple: We were born and raised West Indian, with a West Indian upbringing so you understand it’s like we rarely had and still have the knowledge, I can’t even say the belief because I know what goes up must come down, will go around and come around.
So at the end of the day I can’t sit here and try to interfere with karma and say, “Oh fuck you I’m going to do this.” No God is going to take care of it.
Speaker 4: Did you ever tried to get your publishing back though?
Brian Dalyrimple: We have- -it’s a bad one.
Speaker 5: No is the answer to that one, to be honest, no. We just kept things moving and strive we got a lot going on right now that you guys probably wouldn’t believe but we came a long way to get where we are right now like there’s things that we’re doing on our own independently that is about to make massive difference in all of our lives and it’s like long overdue especially for us and the things that we’ve been through.
We have got a movie called Truth the story of Soul for Real, it will be out this summer.
Brian Dalyrimple: A Caribbean restaurant in Atlanta of course that’s where we’re based right now.
Speaker 2: Naomi’s right?
Brian Dalyrimple: Naomi’s Caribbean cuisine looking for a second location. Basically my idea for Naomi’s and if you guys feel me or try to feel me on this, any mall you go to, reputable mall, whether it be upscale, low scale or Airport you never see Caribbean food.
Speaker 5: That took a long time though.
Brian Dalyrimple: We look at all the other cuisines, Japanese cuisine, Italian, Mexican, it’s all commercially available everywhere you go. You don’t have to go to their sketchy places and that’s what my- -we plug them right there, this is the restaurant we are looking at our second location in Buckhead.
Speaker 4: That’s great, I’m from Brooklyn so-
Speaker 5: We have a plethora of those restaurants everywhere.
Speaker 2: I do not trust a Caribbean restaurant if it’s not sketchy.
Brian Dalyrimple: That is what we are trying to change. To me it is not fair, I’m sure the Caribbean is one of the most visited places but why can’t it be commercially available to everybody. You go to Phipps Plaza you might go to- – what’s the malls out here, the high-end malls?
Speaker 1: Short Hills
Speaker 4: Everybody loves Caribbean food, that is my favorite kind of food.
Speaker 2: I was telling somebody the other day, you go to any other community and you only see their own type of food. You go to downtown to the Italian area and you see Italian restaurants but in ours, in our town you see Chinese food restaurants in our neighborhood, you see pizza shops.
Speaker 4: In Brooklyn, that is not true because we definitely got a lot of Caribbean spots in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: But that’s just in Brooklyn but like if you go to Jersey it’s hard to find a Caribbean restaurant. places in Queens unless it’s the hood is hard to find Caribbean restaurant, it is definitely like- -they don’t look at Caribbean restaurants like they look at Chinese food spots which is in everywhere or Italian Pizzeria which is everywhere.
Brian Dalyrimple: Naomi’s is my grandmother, so I feel like we been when we came out in 95 it was like we always promised her a restaurant, so it took 20 something years but probably got it and we are happy for that.
Speaker 2: Now let’s talk about the identity fraud issue, what was that about? Three of you were indicted for identity fraud?
Brian Dalyrimple: No, I’m going to answer that and let everybody know that this is the actual first time that I’m speaking out about that and it wasn’t identity fraud. I was involved with some cats that really I had no idea what they were doing.
I was involved in a low level involvement- -of course in my search of trying to stay relevant and keep change in my pocket so it’s intoxicating to start making a lot of money and we all know it. I don’t know if you all know but Atlanta was at the time like number one or second in mortgage fraud.
They said identity fraud but it wasn’t identity fraud, it was mortgage fraud and I definitely I was the only one involved in it, I kept my mouth shut and that’s really why a lot of people- – I kept families from going down, I’m an old school, I’m from New York and not everybody from New York know how to keep their mouth shut but I’m old school.
So I was involved in the manner that I was involved and I saved a lot of families. I was implicated, I said, “You said I did it, I did it, let me go do my time and come out.”
Speaker 4: Were you the only person implicated or were there other people?
Brian Dalyrimple: There were other people but it was like-
Speaker 2: Only person in the group?
Brian Dalyrimple: Yes.
Speaker 1: How many years did you do?
Brian Dalyrimple: I did five years.
Speaker 7: [unintelligible 00:17:36] the media saying that it was the entire group.
Brian Dalyrimple: That really hurt my brothers too. When I was locked up, I was like, “Damn I wish you guys don’t do what we did with Hev.” Not say nothing, you see it’s like we should have said something even with Hev, maybe we would have gotten a lot more looks from different people to be like okay you guys aren’t washed up.